Julius POJE {M} = Unknown {F}

Julius POJE:

Born ABT 1850, Obergrass, Austria (Trava, Slovenia)

Anton\Antony POJE¹ {M} = Bertha Maria SALYER² {F} > Family

Married 14 July 1902, VA
Divorced 10 November 1921, Detroit, Wayne Co, MI³

Anton\Antony POJE:

Alias Tony POJE
Born 17 September 1878, Obergrass, Austria (Trava, Slovenia)⁴
Died 18 January 1938, Detroit, Wayne Co, MI⁵
Buried 20 January 1938, Detroit, Wayne Co, MI at Holy Cross Cemetery⁶
Occupation: auto worker and machinist⁷
Birth: Subj: [AUSTRIA-L] Re: AUSTRIA-D Digest V98 #325 Date: 11/7/98 8:05:34 PM Eastern Standard Time From: MeLLoCal@aol.com To: AUSTRIA-L@rootsweb.com
Dear Laurie--
Obergras (Trava) is a village which was part of the Gottschee district. Today the area is called Slovenia, known by its Slovene name, Kocevje. Obergras is in the township of Obergras and the parish is Suchen. If you go to the LDS center by you they have the films from the parish and you can find births, deaths, and marriages. You can also go on-line to http://www.gottschee.org you will find the Gottschee Heritage and Genealogical Society. My ancestors' parish was Nesslthal and I have traced my family roots with their listings of LDS films.
Good Luck! Doreen
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Obergras, Austria is now known as Trava, Slovenia. The area was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire at the time of Anton's birth. Slovenia is now an independent country. Trava Koceve (Gottchee) is half way between Trieste and Zagreb - on the east edge of the Julian Alps. (Nov. 1998; LMcK)
Death: Tony died due to bronchial pneumonia, complicated by asthma, at the age of 59 yrs, 4 mos, 1 day. At the time of his death, Tony had lived in the U.S. for 44 years.
Burial: There is a marker: Sec H, Lot 203, Gr. 370. His son, Kermit, and daughter-in-law, Stella DuBois (she remarried after Kermit's death) are at Holy Cross also. There are markers: Sec X, Lot 22, Graves 1 & 2.
Immigration Date: 13 JUN 1892
Immigration Place: Obergrass, Austria (Trava, Slovenia)
As of April 1998, no specific information can be found.
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Subj: Re: [AUSTRIA-L] Re: AUSTRIA-D Digest V98 #325 Date: 11/8/98 9:02:43 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: MeLLoCal@aol.com To: LaurieMcK@aol.com

Laurie-
I have the latest site address sent to me by GHGA (Gottscheer Heritage & Genealogy Association) http://www.gottschee.org/~ghga/ghga.html. If this still doesn't work try AOL net find and lookup Gottscheer, that's how I first found it. Also try http://www.gottschee.com (they have links to good sites).

Suchen is the parish that includes the villages: Gehack, Karlshutten, Merleinsrauth, Mittergras, Obergras, Suchen. Prior to 1800 records for these towns were kept at Ossiunitz Parish.

Record film #'s for Suchen Parish (Draga is Slovene name)
births 1800-1845 Film # 1416414
births 1846-1874 #1416415
births 1875-1913 #1416416
births 1914-1941 #1416417
marriages 1800-1857 #1416417
marriages 1858-1941 #1416418
deaths 1800-1853 #1416418
deaths 1854-1941 #1416419
family books 1800-1820-1840 # 1416420
family books 1840-1860 #1416421
family book about 1860 #1416422

Also the name you are looking for POJE is a common name to the Gottschee area. In the book I have the name is found in 22 different villages.

I'm happy to help, that's how I found my family, someone gave me the lead!

Doreen

27 Feb 2002
According to the Ellis Island records online: Passenger 442 was Anton Poje, age 29, a workman, immigrated to Boston, MA on 13 June 1894 on the ship Rugia. His ethnicity was Poland, he resided in Gottschee. The port of departure was Hamburg, Germany. Everything above fits what I know about my grandfather - except his age.

Passenger 435 was Gohan Poje, age 32, workman. This man was also Polish, resided in Gottschee, port of departure was Hamburg, Germany. However Gohan landed in New York.

Were they brothers? Related at all? Poje was a very common name in the Gotschee area.
Census Date: 1920
Census Place: Detroit, Wayne Co, MI
Listed with Anthony Poye who owns 267 (4705) Brandon - mortgaged home, age 42, immigrated to U.S. 1894, naturalized in 1917, he and his parents were born in Germany, speaks English, was an assembler at an auto company where he worked for wages, are: Bertha, his wife, age 39, did not work outside of the house; Carmen, age 19, was a press hand at a die works where she worked for wages; Kermit, age 14; Orval, age 12, and Olga, age 6. ****Helen was out of the house - she had been married 2 yrs by this time.

1920 16-WD DETROIT

Series: T625 Roll: 815 Page: 78
Surname GivenName Age Sex Race
POYE ANTHONY 42 M W

Birthplace State County Location Year
GERM MI WAYNE 16-WD DETROIT 1920
Census Date: 1910
Census Place: Gary, McDowell Co, WV
Anton and Bertha Poye were listed with their children: Elena (Helen), Carmon (Carmen), Kermit, and Arobella (Orval).
Census Date: 1900
Census Place: Magoffin Co, KY
Anton Poje was 29, born Oct 1870 in Austria, as were his parents, single, immigrated to the U.S. in 1897 and was an alien. He was one of many "Austrian woodsman" who worked in Magoffin County. He could read, write and speak English according to this census.
Census Date: 1930
Census Place: Detroit, Wayne Co, MI
(ED 491, page 18A and 18B) as Anton Poye, age 51, divorced, born in Germany. He is listed as father to the head of household, Kermit age 24, married at 21 and born in W. Virginia, father in Germany and mother in Kentucky. Wife is Stella, age 23, married at 21, born in Michigan. Kermit has a daughter named Patricia, aged 1 5/12 born in Michigan. They rent their residence at 4705 Brandon for $30.00 a month. Carmen Smetana, age 26, born in West Virginia, father in Germany and mother in Kentucky, and husband John also live at this address. They pay $35.00 a month rent.
Occupation Date: BET 1917 AND 1938
Occupation Place: Detroit, Wayne Co, MI
Occupation: This information is based on census answers.
Residence: 338 Clinton
Residence Date: 1917
Residence Place: Detroit, Wayne Co, MI
338 Clinton is the first mention of Tony Poye in Detroit. He lived on Clinton for only one year. Since finding this listing in the R.L. Polk City of Detroit Directory, Laurie McKenzie has also found that the directory may be as much as 2 yrs behind in its time frame.
Residence: 443 McKinstry Ave.
Residence Date: 1918/19
Residence Place: Detroit, Wayne Co, MI
443 McKinstry Ave. was the 3rd house from Orleans. There was another resident in the upper flat.
Residence: 4705 Brandon
Residence Date: BET 1920 AND 1938
Residence Place: Detroit, Wayne Co, MI
4705 Brandon was Tony's 3rd home in Detroit. His occupation was machinist. There must have been what could only be called a 'family compound' on Brandon because various members of the family remember living on Brandon at the same time. The address was changed from 267 Brandon in 1920 - after the census was taken.
Misc. event Type: Travel
Misc. event Date: 11 SEP 1896
Misc. event Place: Ellis Island, New York Co, NY
At the Ellis Island site (http://www.ellisislandrecords.org) this information was found:

21. Anton Poje Gottschee 1892 29
22. Anton Poje 1896 24 ***
23. Anton Poje Neuwinkel 1898 43
24. Anton Poje Lazec 1898 47

** So I went to the specific record:
Ship of Travel: Patria
Port of Departure: Hamburg, Germany
Date of Arrival: 11 Sep 1896

This Anton POJE could be my grandfather! (L L - 13 Jun 2001)


Bertha Maria SALYER:

Born 16 September 1882, Wireman, Magoffin Co, KY
Died 28 February 1952, Ypsilanti, Washtenaw Co, MI at Beyer Memorial Hospital⁸
Buried 3 March 1952, Detroit, Wayne Co, MI at Grand Lawn Cemetery
Birth: A Notification of Birth Registration states that Bertha Maria Salyers was born in Welch, WV., which is untrue. Bertha was born in Magoffin Co., KY.
Death: As of 1996, Beyer Memorial Hospital is Oakwood Health Care Center. The State of Michigan had no record of her death. On 2 July 1997, Bertha's granddaughter, Laurie SCARPACE McKenzie, finally obtained a death certificate from Washtenaw County, MI. On the certificate, 7311 Floral, Garden City is listed as her place of residence. The County promised to notify the State about the oversight. Bertha died of a heart block. Antecedent causes were auricular fibrillation and uncontrolled diabetes. She also was diagnosed with mellitus for 40 years. Bertha was 69 yrs, 5 mos, 12 days old.
Burial: There is a marker at Grand Lawn Cemetery, Grand River near Telegraph, Detroit, MI: Sec 20, Lot 21, Gr. 3. Her daughters, Orval & Olga, are there also. Bertha was mother to five (5) children: Helen, Carmen, Kermit, Orval and Olga. A grandson, Bob Looper, believes there was another daughter, Dottie. No substantiation can be found. In a letter written by Helen to her youngest sister, Olga, Helen refers to their deceased sister, Orval, as "Dobbie." Perhaps, this is what Bob Looper remembers. Bertha was a Detroit Street Car Conductorette during both World Wars. At one time she was part-owner of the Blue Moon, a bar-restaurant in Detroit. Daughter Helen could often be found helping out in the kitchen. Patty POYE Irvin remembers that she and her brother Kenny often sang in the tavern.
Census Date: 1930
Census Place: Detroit, Wayne Co, MI
ED: 82-350, Sheet 18-A. 3042 W. Warren
Grandma Bertha is listed as Bertha Bankhead/Burkheart; age 38, head of house; not married; 18 yrs old at last marriage; she was born in PA; both of her parents were born in TX. Also in the house was: Nettie/Netta Bankhead/Burkheart, her brother. Grandma Bertha did not have a brother! However her niece Phinetta was called Nettie/Netta. Phinetta was the daughter of Bertha's sister Susie. Nettie/Netta is listed 24 yrs old and single. In fact, Nettie/Netta was born in 1911 in KY. His/her birthplace was also listed as PA and his/her parents were born in TX. Nettie/Netta's parents were born in KY. She/he is listed as a truck driver. The third person at this address is Olga Poje - a roomer! 18 yrs old, also single; born in WV as were her parents. At least they got this last part correct! Mother was a stenographer with an insurance company - which was probably also correct.
The question arises - where is Frank Weiss? He should have been in the household too! There is a Frank Weiss listed in Iron Mountain, MI in the 1930 census. Perhaps he was there working in a copper mine.
Residence: 7311 Floral St.
Residence Date: BET 1948 AND 1952
Residence Place: Garden City, Wayne Co, MI
Bertha & Chester kept chickens in the backyard. Garden City does not acknowledge a street named Floral. Patricia POYE Irvin recalls that it was off Warren, west of Inkster Rd. The street was incorporated into Westland in 1966. The assessor's office believes that area may have been part of Nankin Twp. at the time of their residence. Two of Olga's children confirm Patty's recollection. Further, Bertha's death certificate lists Garden City as the place of residence at the time of her death.
Residence: 3042 W Warren
Residence Date: BET 1929 AND 1933
Residence Place: Detroit, Wayne Co, MI
Residence: 957 Gladstone
Residence Date: 1934
Residence Place: Detroit, Wayne Co, MI
Residence: 10026 Cascade
Residence Date: 1936
Residence Place: Detroit, Wayne Co, MI

John POJE {M} = Frances {F} > Family

John POJE:

Born ABT 1885, Obergrass, Austria (Trava, Slovenia)
Birth: Age at time of the 1920 U.S. Census his age was listed as 35. Civilian Draft Registration for World War I shows: John Poye/Poje, b 23 May 1888, Croatia; registered in Lafayette Co, MS.


Frances :

Born ABT 1890

1 : "1910 U.S. Census, McDowell Co., WV"
1a: "1900 U.S. Census, Magoffin Co., KY"
1b: "R L Polk, Detroit City Directory"; Page 1917 - page 1539
1c: "R L Polk, Detroit City Directory"; Page 1918
1d: "R L Polk, Detroit City Directory"; Page 1919, 1920-1921, 1922, etc.
1e: "http://www.ellisislandrecords.org"
1f: "1920 U.S. Census, Wayne Co., MI"; Primary evidence
Enumeration District # 499, Sheet 5A, District 9, Ward 16; enumerated by Gole Barzyk on 8 January, 1920.
2 : "Based on personal information/living during the person's lif"
2a: "1930 Census: Wayne Co., MI"; Primary evidence
ED: 82-350 Page 18A
3 : "Oakland County, Michigan, Divorce Decree - Wayne Co, MI"; Page State Mile # 2-370; Primary evidence
4 : "Dept. of Vital Statistics, State of Michigan, Death Certific"; Page State of Michigan
5 : "Dept. of Vital Statistics, State of Michigan, Death Certific"; Page State of Michigan; Primary evidence
6 : "Holy Cross Cemetery"; Page Burial No.: 33765
7 : "1920 U.S. Census, Wayne Co., MI"
7a: "R L Polk, Detroit City Directory"; Page Directories from 1917 - 1918.; Secondary evidence
8 : "Dept. of Vital Statistics, State of Michigan, Death Certific"; Primary evidence