Birth Note

Hester Jane's birthdate is based on the Dickensonville Twp 1860 census.

Marriage Note

Ira and Mary Clevinger had twelve children.

Birth Note

This date MUST be incorrect - since it is doubtful that Isa's father was only 11 when Isa was born.

Marriage Note

Isabel and Thomas had 5 children.

<b>From:</b> H. S. Patton [mailto:pattunes@erols.com]
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 28, 2003 2:17 PM
<b>To:</b> Kim Watt
<b>Subject:</b> Some new dirrection for your research.

I believe the Nancy Carty who married Isiah Salyer Jr was a sister to Abner, Thomas Wiley, John P and William and David Carty Jr (all Cartys) Their father was David Carty Sr see Russell County Census 1820 to 1830. on Russell Count US Genweb site. Further The Lineage of Isiah Salyer Sr i sknown back to Charles and William Sallier. Elizabeth Dunn who was the wife of Isiah Salyer Sr's father Zachariah Benjamin Salyer is often shown as the daughter of Henry Dunn, however I suspect that she descends from The family of John Dunn through hi sgrandson Hugh who married Elizabeth Martin They are first and foremost resident in Woodbridge NJ where the Salliers live at the time of Zachariah's birth. very interesting site about the Dunn Family and its connections to the Drake family of Francis Drake is on line. and can be found by searching the names Drake, Martin and Dunn together, sorry But I do not have the address immediately available. I have yet to figure out where the connection to Henryy Dunn Comes from as I can find no record of a henry and the names in the Salyer line suggest otherwise. For one thing the name Martin persists and Martin Dunn Salyer is a son of Zachariah Benkjamin Salyer Sr which suggests if anything that Elizabeth's father was named Martoin Dunn, however the Martin Dunn in Albemarle County VA who is also probably of the same line as Elizabeth is a contemporary to her, perhaps a brother. It is very likely that this Elizabeth is actually the Daughter of Hugh Dunn Jr and Elizabeth Dunn who are known to have had a daughter named Elizabeth but what becomes of her is unknown. Since they are resident in Woodbridge NJ at the same time as Zachariah Benjamin (two other names that fit the Dunn line coincidentally, of Elizabeth) it is quite possible., even probable that she is the same as the wife of Zachariah Salyer. Still investigating.
Interestingly I descend from The Abner Salyer who starts off your page. My gggrandfather was Andrew J Patton who was the oldest son of the relationship between Abner Salyer and Elizabeth Patton. I have yet to determine the relationshipo between her and William Martin Salyer's second wife Darcus Patton who was likely a daughter of Samuel Patton. It is believed by some researchers that Elizabeth Patton was the Daughte of John Patton, son of James Patton, son of John Patton the brother to Col James Patton. It is said that John is the son of James and an unknown first wife, I believe she may have been the daughter of Dr Thomas Walker. Sometime back in VA I had stumbled on the gravesite of Dr Walker and wife in Culpeper as i recall and Burried with them is a Daughter who was the wife of James Patton. I will someday find that site which was just around the corner from the Courthouse and check out the dates. The Courthouse sits on a circle which has another old graveyard at its center but this is on a side street that runs next to the courthouse. The graves are marked by a Granite monument and sit beside the wall of a building on the property there are maybe as many as 100 or bette graves there but the walker portion is separated by an iron fence.
Steve Patton

Event Rev War - [date: ABT 1775]
and was a Loyalist/Tory

Isaiah Salyer became a fugitive who used "Still" as an alias (He was 'still' Isaiah).

Birth Note

Isaiah could have been born in Chowan Co., NC.

Marriage Note

Tradition says that his first wife was a Salyer.

Marriage Note

Although Isaiah's second wife is unknown, it is thought that she was a Melungeon.

The Salyer family lived on Copper Creek in Russell County, Virginia. Isaiah died from complications of being kicked in the head by a horse.

Occupation -
Farmer & Stock Dealer

Census - [date: 1860] [place: Magoffin Co, KY]

SALYER, Isaiah, age 44, wife Phoebe Arnett, H6

6 Salyer, Isaiah 44 Male Virginia
Phoebe 38 Female Kentucky
Cambridge C 21 Male Kentucky
William 16 Male Kentucky
Elizabeth 13 Female Kentucky
Stephen 10 Male Kentucky
Abigail 8 Female Kentucky
Melinda 6 Female Kentucky
Samuel 4 Male Kentucky
David 3 Male Kentucky
John 4/12 Male Kentucky
Conley, Margaret 19 Female Kentucky

Census - [date: 1840] [place: Floyd Co, KY]

1 male b bet 1835/40 (Cambridge); 1 male b bet 1810/20 (Isaiah); 1 female b bet 1810/1820 (Phoebe). Floyd Co 1850 census - same family Household #495.

Marriage Note

1860 Magoffin Co., KY Census: SALYER, Isaiah, age 44, wife Phoebe Arnett, H6.

6 Salyer, Isaiah 44 Male Virginia
Phoebe 38 Female Kentucky
Cambridge C 21 Male Kentucky
William 16 Male Kentucky
Elizabeth 13 Female Kentucky
Stephen 10 Male Kentucky
Abigail 8 Female Kentucky
Melinda 6 Female Kentucky
Samuel 4 Male Kentucky
David 3 Male Kentucky
John 4/12 Male Kentucky
Conley, Margaret 19 Female Kentucky

Subj: RE: Watt family data page
Date: 2/20/01 10:18:06 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: kwatt@delafield-brewhaus.com (Kim Watt)
To: greenbean74401@yahoo.com ('blah blah')

I would love to fill in the missing pieces. Anything you have will be greatly appreciated.

Kim Watt

-----Original Message-----
From: blah blah [mailto:greenbean74401@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:46 AM
To: kim@breeze.org
Subject: Watt family data page

Hi Kim,
My name is Jennifer Irene Dreadfulwater (Dever), and I guess you are the one who created the Watt family data page. I wanted to mail you to tell you I am the great great granddaughter of Isaiah "Zer" Salyer and great great granddaughter of Polly Ann Carpenter (Salyer) I have noticed on your genealogy page that that's where the branch of that family ends....well I asked my grandfather and he said in 1901 my great great grandfather and great great grandmother moved from Salyersville KY, to Chickisha Indian Territory, (Oklahoma was not yet a state then) and then three years after that moved to Yell Co., Arkansas and that is where the majority of Isaiah and Polly's ancestors are today -- in Eastern Oklahoma. I guess why you have left off there is there is no information on any branches past that. If you would like I can help you fill in the missing blanks. Email me back if interested. greenbean74401@yahoo.com
Thanks,

Jennifer Dreadfulwater
(Dever)

From: blah blah [mailto:greenbean74401@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:46 AM
> To: kim@breeze.org
> Subject: Watt family data page
>
> HUSBAND: Isaiah Salyer
Born: September 7, 1856 KY
Marr: circa 1875 KY
Died: 1924 Yell Co., Arkansas
Buried: Rover, Arkansas
Census: 1900 Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory
(Oklahoma not yet a state)
Census: 1910 Texas Co., Missouri
Occ: farmer
Father: David Salyer
Mother: Susanna Fletcher Arnett "Miles"

WIFE: Polly Ann Carpenter
Born: 1855 KY
Died: 1928 Yell Co., Arkansas
Buried: 1928 Rover, Arkansas
Father: Samuel Carpenter
Mother: Catherine Allen

CHILDREN:
Cora Salyer
Born: 1876 KY
Died: ?

Golson Salyer
Born: September 1877 KY
Died: date unknown King Co., Seattle, Washington
Occ: farmer

Katherine (Katie) Salyer
Born: 1879 KY
Marr: July 4, 1905 Kiowa Co., Snyder, Indian
Territory
To: J.C. Stewart
Died: ? unknown date

Kelse Salyer
Born: October 25, 1881 KY
Marr: November 6, 1904 Kiowa Co., Indian
Territory
To: Emma Miller
Died: October 6, 1965 Yell Co., Rover, Arkansas
Buried October 1965 Rover Arkansas

David Salyer
Born: October 1885 KY
Marr: date unknown
To: Clemmie Charles

Ezra Salyer
Born: July 19, 1887 KY
Marr: August 9, 1911 Murray Co., Iona, Oklahoma
To: Veda Vanderburg
Died: April 2, 1988 Washington Co., Springdale
Arkansas
Lived: circa 1987 Washington Co., Arkansas

Gus Salyer (my great grandfather)
Born: January 16, 1892 KY
Marr: date unknown
To: Jennie Mariah Lambert ( my great grandmother)
Died: March 9, 1975 Muskogee Co., Fort Gibson,
Oklahoma.
Buried: March 11 1975 Memorial Park, Muskogee, OK
Lived: circa 1974 Muskogee Co., OK

Burchett (Burt) Salyer
Born: May 7, 1894 Salyersville, Magoffin Co., KY
Marr: date unknown, Arkansas
To: Fannie B. Kirkland
Marr: 1943 Payne Co., Cushing, Oklahoma
To: Katherine Louise Williams
Died: March 9, 1992 Garfield Co., Enid, Oklahoma
Census: 1900 Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory
(Oklahoma not yet a state)
Lived: circa 1991 Garfield Co., Enid, Oklahoma

Virgie Salyer
Born: March 1896 KY
Marr: date unknown
To: John Lewis
Died: Date unknown
-------------------------------------------------------
HUSBAND: Gus Salyer
Born: January 16, 1892 KY
Died: March 9, 1975 Muskogee Co., Fort Gibson,
Oklahoma.
Buried: March 11, 1975 Memorial Park, Muskogee
Oklahoma.
Father: Isaiah Salyer
Mother: Polly Ann Carpenter

WIFE: Jennie Mariah Lambert
Born: March 9, 1894 Yell Co., Arkansas
Died: November 29, 1967 Muskogee Co., Muskogee
Oklahoma.
Buried: December 2, 1967 Memorial Park, Muskogee,
Oklahoma.

CHILDREN:
Anna Marie Salyer
Born: 1918
Marr: date unknown
To: Othel L. Lamascus
Lived: 1975 Fulton, KY
Lived: 1978 Martin, TN
Deceased: August 1998 at an Alzheimer's institute in Tampa, Florida where her son Jerry resides.

William Loyd Salyer (my grandfather)
Born: May 8, 1919 Yell Co., Plainview, Arkansas
Marr: date unknown
To: Lulu Gertrude Cox (my grandmother)
Marr: after 1967
To: Julia (Judy) Joyce Adamson
Lived: 1975 Muskogee Co., Muskogee, Oklahoma
Lived: 2001 Wagoner Co., Okay, Oklahoma
Still Living

Arthur Lee Salyer (he went by Lee)
Born: July 12, 1921 Yell Co., Danville, Arkansas
Served in U.S. Army
Marr: date unknown
To: Bonnie Belle Gasaway
Marr: 1952
To: Wanda Crawford
Died: June 3, 1978 Lucas Co., Chariton, Iowa
Buried: June 7, 1978 Okmulgee Co., Okmulgee,
Oklahoma.
Occupation: Steelworker

Mary Edith Salyer
Born: date unknown
marr: date unknown
To: Homer Chancellor
Lived: 1975 Muskogee Co., Webbers Falls, Oklahoma
Lived: 1992 Muskogee Co., Webbers Falls, Oklahoma
Died: Unknown?

Emma Jean Salyer
Born: Unknown
Marr: date unknown
To: W.H. Bannon
Marr: date unknown
To: Robert H Grapevine
Lived: 1975 Muskogee Co., Fort Gibson, Oklahoma
Lived: 1978 Cherokee Co., Tahlequah, Oklahoma
-------------------------------------------------------

HUSBAND: William Lloyd Salyer
Born: May 8, 1919 Yell Co., Plainview, Arkansas
Marr: date unknown
Served in the U.S. Army W.W. II
Lived: 1975 Muskogee Co., Muskogee, Oklahoma
Lived: 2001 Wagoner Co., Okay, Oklahoma
Deceased: Still Living
Father: Gus Salyer
Mother: Jennie Mariah Lambert
Second Wife: Julia (Judy) Joyce Adamson

WIFE: Lulu Gertrude Cox
Born: unknown
Res: Noma, Florida
Lived: Noma, Florida 2001
Deceased: Still Living

CHILDREN:
Patsy Ann Salyer (my mother)
Born: February 27, 1946 Baptist Hospital Muskogee
Co., Muskogee, Oklahoma
Marr: date unknown
Divorced: 1984
To: Sammy Alfred Dever (my father)
Born: June 13, 1944 Adair Co., Westville,
Oklahoma
Lived: 2001 Muskogee, Co., Fort Gibson, Oklahoma
Deceased: Still Living

Darrell Wayne Salyer
Born: date unknown
Marr: date unknown
Divorced: date unknown
To: Sharon Kay Dever
Marr: date unknown
To: Sharon Long
Lived: 2001 Sequoyah Co., Gore, Oklahoma
Deceased: still living

Anita Gail Salyer
Born: date unknown
Marr: date unknown
Divorced: date unknown
To: Ronnie Frazier
Marr: date unknown
Divorced: 1999
To: Leon Head
Lived: 2001 Osage Co., Sperry, Oklahoma
Deceased: still living
_______________________________________________________

Patsy Ann Salyer and Sammy Alfred Dever's CHILDREN

Jennifer Irene Dever (ME)
Born: January 25, 1980 Muskogee General Hospital
Muskogee Co., Muskogee, Oklahoma
Marr: January 25, 2000 Washington Co.,
Fayetteville, Arkansas
To: Jeremy Dreadfulwater
Born: November 25, 1976 W.W. Hastings Indian
Hospital, Cherokee Co., Tahlequah
Oklahoma
Lived: 2001 Muskogee Co., Muskogee, Oklahoma

Kevin William Dever (my brother)
Born: July 16, 1981 Muskogee General Hospital
Muskogee Co., Muskogee, Oklahoma
Marr: not married
Lived: 2001 Muskogee Co., Fort Gibson, Oklahoma
_______________________________________________________

Darrell Wayne Salyer and Sharon Kay Dever's CHILDREN

Jerry Wayne Salyer
Born: May 9, 1970 Muskogee Co., Muskogee, Oklahoma
Marr: never married
Lived: 1996 Muskogee Co., Fort Gibson, Oklahoma
Died: January 3, 1996 Muskogee Co., Braggs
Oklahoma (fishtailed off of Braggs, Mountain in a snow storm)
Buried: Greenhill Cemetery Muskogee Co., Muskogee, Oklahoma
Occupation: Cabinet Maker

Shelia (Shelly) Donnell Salyer
Born: June 6, 1972 Muskogee Co., Muskogee Oklahoma
Marr: November 1992
To: Gregory Michael Perry
Lived: 2001 Muskogee Co., Fort Gibson, Oklahoma
Occupation: Tool Box Welder (craftsman tools)

_______________________________________________________

Darrell Wayne Salyer and Sharon Long's CHILD
Shadarrell Dawn Salyer
Born: February 1982
Marr: never married
Lived: 2001 Sequoyah Co., Gore, Oklahoma
_______________________________________________________

Anita Gail Salyer and Ronnie Frazier's CHILDREN
Kimberly Frazier
Born: date unknown
Marr: date unknown
To: Kevin Acuff
Lived: 2001 date unknown

Patrick Frazier
Born: date unknown
Marr: date unknown
To: Julie ?
Divorced: date unknown
Lived: 2001 Muskogee Co., Wainwright/Hitchita, Oklahoma

Renee Frazier
Born: date unknown
Marr: date unknown
To: unknown
Lived 2001 North Carolina

Jody Frazier
Born: date unknown
Marr: ? ? ?
To: ???
Lived: 2001 North Carolina

Amanda Frazier
Born: date unknown
Marr: ???
To: ???
Lived 2001 Little Rock, Arkansas
_______________________________________________________

Jennifer Irene Dever and Jeremy Dreadfulwater's CHILD

Braiden Kane Dreadfulwater
Born: December 20, 2000 W.W. Hastings Indian
Hospital, Cherokee Co., Talequah, Oklahoma
Lived: 2001 Muskogee Co., Muskogee, Oklahoma
_______________________________________________________

Shelia (Shelly) Donnell Salyer and Gregory Michael Perry's CHILD

Gregory Dylan Perry
Born: December 18, 1993 Muskogee Regional Medical Center, Muskogee Co., Muskogee, Oklahoma
Lived: 2001 Muskogee Co., Fort Gibson, Oklahoma
_______________________________________________________

Shadarrell Dawn Salyer and Raymond Edward Torix's
CHILD
(note they were never married)

name unknown
Born: 1999
Lived: 2001 Sequoyah Co., Gore, Oklahoma
_______________________________________________________

If you will note that the death of Jerry Wayne Salyer in 1996 Ended the Salyer name on our Direct Line, also if you will notice on my mother and father, aunt and uncle, my mother married my aunts brother and my aunt married my moms brother so there was no inbreeding going on it was just in-laws marrying in-laws. So My brother Kevin William Dever and I are double blooded cousins with Shelia (Shelly) Donnell Salyer and Jerry Wayne Salyer. Shadarrell Salyer has a daughter I don't know her name we don't keep in close contact. Anita Gail Salyer and Ronnie Frazier's children have children of their own also but I don't keep in close contact with them either.

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 9:52 PM
To: Kim Watt
Subject: RE: Watt family data page

Hi Kim,
I just found out that Shadarrell Dawn Salyer and Raymond Edward Torix's Daughter's name is Breann Leigh Salyer born August 22, 1999 and Shadarrell her nick name is "Petie" was born April 1982. I thought I would let you know that little bit so you can fill in the blanks under their names.

Jennifer Dreadfulwater

Census - [date: 1900] [place: Chickasaw Nation, Indian Territory]

Census - [date: 1910] [place: Texas Co, MO]

Event Deed - [date: 26 DEC 1877] [place: Magoffin Co, KY]
Nelson Salyer & Elizabeth Salyer to Isaiah Salyer

Magoffin County Kentucky: Book 4 - p 163 & 164

This indenture made and entered into this 26th of Dec 1877 by and between Nelson Salyer and Elizabeth Salyer of the first part and Isaiah Salyer of the 2nd part all of the County of Magoffin and State of Ky Witnesseth that for and in Consideration of 2 Hundred Dollars Secured by note from the party of the 2nd part to the party of the first party for the Sum of Two Hundred Dollars due Dec the 26th 1877 due Dec 26 1878 the parties of the first part doth this day Sell and do by these presents, Bargain Sell and Convey unto the party of the first party a certain tract or parcel of land lying and being in the County and State aforesaid on Big Whitely creek Beginning as follows to wit, on a rock at the end of the Perkins field on a rock up the hill on each side of the Rilley hill to the top down in the ridge to the dividing line between said Farm and Isaiah Salyer Farm Containing 200 acres be the same more or less to have and to hold unto the party of the 2nd part free from themselves their heirs and all persons claiming by through or under them with all its appurtenances and improvements forever parties of the first part has set their hand and caused this Seal to be first day and date above written

Elizabeth Salyer
Nelson Salyer

State of Kentucky
County of Magoffin
I B F Howard Clerk of the magoffin County Court Certify that the foregoing Deed of Conveyance from Nelson Salyer and Elizabeth Salyer to Isaiah Salyer was acknowledged before me in due form on the 26th day of December 1877 to be their Act and deed for the purposes therein mentioned where upon Said deed of Conveyance together with this Certificate is admitted to record in my office given under my hand this 10th day of April 1878
B F Howard CMCC
By Holloway Power DC
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
NOTE: I'm not positive, but I think this Isaiah was Nelson's brother, nicknamed "Zer"
LMcK - Nov 1999

Death Note

According to Jennifer Irene DEVER Dreadfulwater Dreadwater, Isaiah died in 1924 in Yell Co., Arkansas. She asked her grandfather and he said in 1901 her great great grandfather and great great grandmother moved from Salyersville KY, to Chickisah Indian Territory, (Oklahoma was not yet a state then) and then three years after that moved to Yell Co., Arkansas and that is where the majority of Isaiah and Polly's ancestors are today -- in Eastern Oklahoma.

Burial - [place: Magoffin Co, KY at John M Salyer Cemetery]

Based on birthplaces of his children, the family migrated to Floyd Co, KY in the early 1830s. At that time, Jacob began purchasing land in Floyd Co.: 50 acres, Book E-2, p. 220, date of survey 10-2-1834, Pigeon Fork; 100 acres, Book F-2, p. 201, date of survey 2-5-1834, Oil Spring Fork.

Jacob and Laurence Joseph Scarpace's children are 2nd cousins, 5 times removed. Jacob and Joyce Salyers Looper Watt's children are 2nd cousins, 6 times removed.

Death Note

Jacob died in service at Salyersville, which means he was in the Civil War. Jacob Salyer b. ca. 1846 Johnson Co. Pvt. Co. D 14th KY USA enrolled at Salyersville. (This information was in Todd Preston's column in the May 28, 1998 issue of THE SALYERSVILLE INDEPENDENT newspaper.)

Marriage Note

P. 111 gives date as 10 Jan; P. 127 gives 5 Jan.

Census - [date: 1860] [place: Dickensonville Twp, Russell Co, VA]

1277 Salyer James 47 m Farmer 60
Elizabeth 47 f
James 19 m Farm Hand
Jeremiah 16 m Farm Laborer
Elizabeth 13 f
Joseph 12 m
Cristina 11 f
Robert C. 9 m
Lemuel 8 m
John 2 m
Lilbern 0 m

Thomas D. Allen lists James as the son of Abner SALYER and Elizabeth PATTON.

Birth Note

He possibly died as a child.

Birth Note

Per 1860 census: Dickensonville Twp., Russell Co., VA.

Occupation -
Teacher

Marriage Note

James & Liza had 3 daughters.

James died in infancy.

Jane Salyers Whitaker died Friday in Paul B. Hall Medical Center at Paintsville. Mrs. Whitaker was born March 10, 1919, in Magoffin County, a daughter of the late William J. and Arizona McCarty Salyers.

She was preceded in death by her husband, Orville Whitaker; three sons, Orville Whitaker Jr., Marvin Whitaker and Carl Edward Whitaker; a daughter, Betty Jean Fletcher; and four grandchildren.

Surviving son, C.M. Whitaker, daughters, Josephine Rice of Fostoria, Ohio, Doris Marshall of Royalton and Darlene Trusty and Bessie Risner, both of Salyersville; a brother, Woodrow Salyers of North Judson,Ind

The funeral will be held at 2 p.m. Monday. Burial will be in the Orville Whitaker Cemetery at Gun Creek.
(Date of death and of this obituary is unknown.)

Burial - [place: Gun Creek, KY at Orville Whitaker Cemetery]

Burial - [place: Bee Tree Creek, Carver, Magoffin Co, KY at Warnie Bailey Cemetery]

Birth Note

Jeremiah could have ben born in Burke Co., NC

Census - [date: 1860] [place: Dickensonville Twp, Russell Co, VA]

In house #1173 are Jeremiah 25, farmer, Esther 30, Thursey J. 2, Sarah E. 1 (twin), Eunice L. 1 (twin).

Marriage Note

This family is listed in the 1860 U S Census of Dickensonville Twp., Russell Co., VA.

Birth Note

Per 1860 census, Dickensonville Twp, Russell Col, VA.

Burial - [place: Muskogee, Muskogee Co, OK at Greenhill Cemetery]

Death Note

His car fishtailed off of Braggs Mountain during a snowstorm.

Jesse and Hannah had the following children:

i. Virginia V. Salyer, born ca. 1858, died (?).

ii. Helen N. Salyer, born ca. 1860, died (?); married Dock Vance.

iii. Sarah Frances Salyer, born February 12, 1862 in Russell Co., VA; died August 19, 1919 in Russell Co., VA; married Isaiah Nathaniel Burke July 18, 1884 in Russell Co., VA.

iv. Mary Salyer, born ca. 1867, died (?); married William Henry Salyer.

v. Abraham Hendricks Salyer, born March 1868, died (?); married Lettie Mullins.

vi. William A. Salyer, born ca. 1872, died (?).

Event Rev War - [date: frm 24 Jan 1781 for six months] [place: SC]

John enlisted in the loyalist Militia Company and also served with the Patriots.

According to the DAR Patirot's Index online, John was born in SC and died in IN between 1810-1890. Perhaps this John is a different John than the John here.

Birth Note

Per NSDAR Patriot Index on-line.

Property - [date: 1837] [place: Floyd Co, KY]
3,000 acres

John began acquiring land and in 1837 (the first year of extant tax lists for Floyd County), he paid tax on 500 acres situated on the Licking River. His land holdings eventually were in excess of 3000 acres; some had been acquired by deed but a large portion was by virtue of Kentucky Land Warrants and Grants in Court Orders. Records indicate that he owned and operated a saw mill located on the Licking River near his homestead.

Burial - [place: Magoffin Co, KY at Half Mountain Cemetery]

Both John and Polly are buried in this cemetery across from the mouth of Puncheon. Access to the cemetery is via Half Mountain Road off KY 7.

Census - [date: 1860] [place: Magoffin Co, KY]

SALYER, John Sr., age 56, with wife Polly Wadkins, H32

Marriage Note

The marriage bond and license are dated 1 Nov 1821 and state that Thomas Wadkins gave his oral consent for the marriage. John Salyer was not a resident of Floyd County at this time. William Salyer, Sr. and his sons were living in the newly formed county of Perry. Either the clerk who issued the marriage license did not know that John Salyer was under age or John added a few years to his age. There is also the possibility that a permission from John's father was exhibited to the clerk and is no longer extant. All of the permissions included with the marriage bonds are written on small scraps of paper and could easily be lost.

Census - [date: 1870] [place: Russell Co, VA]

CENSUS YR: 1870 TERRITORY: VA COUNTY: Russell DIVISION: Copper Creek Township REEL NO: M5931677 PAGE NO: 340B
REFERENCE: Enumerated the 25th day of July 1870 by J C Coman
==============================================================================================================
LN HN FN LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX RACE OCCUP. REAL VAL. PERS VAL. BIRTHPLACE FOREIGN BIRTH MONTH MONTH ATT. SCHOOL CAN'T READ CAN'T WRITE DEAF M-21yrs VOTE-
FATHER MOTHER BORN MARR. DENIED
==============================================================================================================

16 131 132 Salyer John 66 M W farmer 1,600 Kentucky X X X
17 131 132 Salyer Sarah 50 F W keeping house Virginia X X
18 131 132 Salyer Mary 28 F W at home Virginia X X
19 131 132 Salyer Jonathan 20 M W farm hand Virginia X X
20 132 133 Salyer Joseph 24 M W farm hand Virginia X X X
21 132 133 Salyer Elizabeth 26 F W keeping house Virginia X X
22 132 133 Salyer Mary 10 F W at home Virginia X X
23 132 133 Salyer Martha 7 F W at home Virginia
24 132 133 Salyer Sarah 4 F W at home Virginia X
REMARKS: unsure of mark in column 12
25 132 133 Salyer Henry 2 M W at home Virginia
26 132 133 Salyer Infant 3/12 M W at home Virginia Apr

Marriage Note

Could Sarah have married her father-in-law, Isaiah Salyer, Sr.?

Birth Note

John died in infancy.

Marriage Note

John and Nancy had 15 children, six of whom died of the flu.

Birth Note

Per 1860 census: Dickensonville Twp., Russell Co., VA.

Birth Note

John's age is based on the 1860 Dickensonville Twp, Russell Co, VA census.

Burial - [place: Royalton, Magoffin Co, KY at Nelse Salyer Cemetery]

See burial note for Nelson Salyer, second cousin of this John Salyer. Their common ancestor is William Martin Salyer - their grandfather.

Burial - [place: Georgetown, Williamson Co, TX in Oddfellow Cemetery]

Census - [date: 1860] [place: Dickensonville Twp, Russell Co, VA]

John H.is in house # 1177, his parents are in house # 1175. In addition to his wife Sarah, listed with John H. are Elbert 9, Emily C. 8, Lafayette Mc. 5, Samantha J. 4, Nancy E. 3, Norma C. 1, Sarah E. 9 months, and Johathan Salyer 33 - idiotic.

Burial - [place: Purves, Erath Co, TX at Live Oak Cemetery]

Census - [date: 1860] [place: Magoffin Co, KY]

SALYER, John J., age 26, wife Elizabeth Allen, H3

Marriage Note

August 11, 1851 John Salyer Rachel Conley Minister: James Fugett

John Morgan SALYER was the only one of Abner SALYER Sr.'s sons to remain in Kentucky. One source gives his mother's name as Emma. John was known as the "ferryman" because he operated a ferry boat across the Licking River. Several brothers and their father, ended up in Texas.

Census - [date: 1860] [place: Magoffin Co, KY]

SALYER, John M., age 33, with wife Evaline Jackson, H160

160 Salyer, John M 33 Male Kentucky
Evaline 32 Female Virginia
Sarah J 10 Female Kentucky
Mary E 7 Female Kentucky
Jackson M 5 Male Kentucky
Nancy 4 Female Kentucky
Frances M 1 Female Kentucky

Marriage Note

Although Violet bore Abner a son, Ratio Seymore Salyer, they were never married.

John Morgan SALYER enlisted in the United States Army in 1901 and served three years in the Philippine Islands. He attended the public schools of Magoffin County and taught one school at the head of Licking River. After his 3 year tour of duty in the Spanish American War, he was engaged in farming in his native county. Later in life, he was elected Police Judge of Salyersville, KY. He always liked reminiscing with citizens of the county, recalling dates of marriage, births and deaths and great periods of history. He was remembered by lots of people as "Fiddlin" John SALYER (contributed by Mr. & Mrs. Grover SALYER) Old-time fiddler, John M. SALYER and his two sons, Grover and Glen, were invited by the Sandy Valley Grocery Company to be entertainers on an excursion to the 1933 World's Fair at Chicago, Illinois. The train started picking up passengers in Pikeville, KY and continued to Cincinnati, Ohio. The father and son trio boarded the train early in the morning at Paintsville. Immediately they began making music from car to car. John played the fiddle, Grover the guitar, and Glen the mandolin. The playing continued until they arrived in Cincinnati. There they were joined by the Gibson Girl singers. From there to Chicago, they alternated singing and playing. The trip was uninterrupted until they stopped in Kankakee, Illinois to switch engines. The next stop was Chicago about 10:30 at night. There they were greeted by a bag-pipe band. Most of the passengers had never heard bag-pipes before. In Chicago, they stayed at the Stevenson Hotel. The second night the SALYERS were invited to play for a dance in the million dollar ballroom of the Knickerbocker Hotel. The dance floor was make of glass blocks with many colored lights in it. There were 6500 people there; some wanted waltz music, some wanted square dance, and fox trot, others wanted Virginia reel or jig music. John said to them, "We'll play our kind of music and you dance any kind of dance you can!" They saw many new inventions from all over the world. One of special interest, and most mysterious, was to break a beam of light to turn on a drinking fountain, or open and close a door in the Hall of Science and Industry. After three days of seeing the wonders of the world, the excursion returned to eastern Kentucky. The SALYER trio was back in Magoffin County with blistered fingers and tired hands from playing so many hours. It was a great experience that they relived and retold the story on many occasions. Grover was privileged to attend another World's Fair, in Montreal, Canada and was able to see the sights of the Fair in Seattle, Washington. Both had many wonders but neither could surpass the memories of the 1933 World's Fair in Chicago.

Death Note

Biography: --Bruce Greene, 1992
John Morgan Salyer was one of the last of the great traditional fiddlers of eastern Kentucky. He was born into an extraordinary musical world that flourished in rural isolation before the days of recording technology and that had largely disappeared by the middle of the twentieth century. We know that world largely through legend, but because John Salyer's family had the foresight and dedication to record his playing some fifty years ago, a piece of the old music of eastern Kentucky has been kept alive.
John was born, January 20, 1882 on Birch Branch of Burning Fork of Licking River, the son of farming parents, Morgan M. Salyer and Katherine Patrick. When he was about eight years old, John fell out of a tree and broke his leg. His father (a fiddler) bought him a half-size fiddle to keep him occupied while recovering. With this opportunity, John began to show a great deal of talent, and according to his son Grover, "it was not long before he could hear a piece and then play the piece himself." In those days, learning to play the fiddle was largely a matter of watching, listening and practicing, since generally the old traditional fiddlers did not give lessons.
Inspiration for a young fiddler, however, was everywhere in the late 19th century since every rural community had its musicians and singers and its own style of music that was handed down through the generations. It would be twenty years before cars would begin to show up in Magoffin County, and people did not travel far or often, so music was centered in the home and neighborhood, an important and much-loved part of everyday life.
One of John Salyer's close neighbors, and eventually his closest musical partner, was Willie Fletcher, who was born in 1871. John learned many of his tunes from Willie and greatly admired his musical abilities, considering him to be "the sweetest and smoothest fiddler he ever heard." Both John and Willie could play the banjo and fiddle equally well, and they visited each other's homes frequently, playing for hours at a time.
Willie Fletcher and another neighbor, Patrick Risner (from a prominent fiddling family in the area), were probably the main musicians who inspired John Salyer, but there were possibly others, including Jeff Gipson, a part Cherokee Indian who was born in 1844. It seems unlikely, however, that Gipson was a major influence on John's playing since Gipson passed his music down to Glen Fannin, a contemporary of John's, and Glen's and John's versions of tunes were markedly different from each other.
John Salyer spent his youth working on the family farm. He finished what is called the normal school and afterwards taught a year of school at the head of Licking River. According to Grover Salyer, John read a lot, was interested in history, and was a bible scholar.
In 1901, he enlisted in the army and served three years in the Philippines. Following his discharge, he continued on around the world by ship, an unusual accomplishment at that time for someone from the Kentucky mountains. John returned home to marry Minnie Gullett on August 11, 1905. They eventually had nine children together: seven girls (two of whom died young) and two boys.
With the 1920s came radio and increased opportunities for mountain musicians to earn recognition through recording. But according to Glen Salyer, his father didn't consider professionalism an option, preferring instead to play at home for his own enjoyment:
"Sometimes he'd play two or three times a week. Then he might go for a month and not play. But he'd get his fiddle out maybe after breakfast [if he] felt good and maybe set there and play for an hour and play thirty or forty different tunes. And never say a word, just play."
Gladys Connelly, a neighbor, remembers hearing John play at her home: "In the summertime, the old time musicians would gather on our plank porch and John played the fiddle. The music they made stopped travelers on the road to listen."
Besides entertaining family and neighbors, John enjoyed playing for local square dances. Grover Salyer remembers these events well:
"He...played for a lot of dances-...and I've seen him...playing for a hoe-down dance and he'd jump up and dance and play the fiddle at the same time."
One of John Salyer's good friends throughout his life was W.M. "Bill" Stepp (born 1875), whose fiddling was recorded by the Library of Congress field workers traveling through the region in 1937. The versions of several tunes Stepp and Salyer played in common are remarkably similar, and it is quite possible that Bill and John learned some from each other.
Glen Salyer says of Bill Stepp: "I liked to hear him play. He was considered a good fiddler, and he was. He loved to entertain people...more than Dad did - to play and be bragged on... Dad was working in Knoxville, Tennessee when Billie was recorded, or maybe he would have been too."
There were occasional fiddle contests around the Magoffin area, but John seldom participated in them. According to Glen, John Salyer was "a little bit on the backward side about getting up in front of crowds and playing."
By the late 1920s, John's sons Grover and Glen were beginning to show an interest in music. After Grover learned to play the French harp and guitar, and Glen learned the guitar and mandolin, they would go with their father to friends' houses for music and dances. Occasionally, on summer nights, they would walk the two or three miles to Salyersville and play in one of the local stores. Crowds would gather to watch, and often there would be a hoe-down dancer or two.
In the fall of 1933, an event took place that proved to have a great effect on John Salyer's music life. It began when he and his sons, under the name of The Salyer Trio String Band, were invited by the Sandy Valley Grocery Company to entertain passengers on a train excursion to the Chicago World's Fail. While in Chicago, the Salyer band played for a dance in the Million Dollar Ballroom at the Knickerbocker Hotel.
Grover's memory of the event is vivid: "The dance floor was made of glass blocks with many colored lights in it. There were sixty-five hundred people there; some wanted waltz music, some wanted square dance, and fox trot, others wanted Virginia Reel or jig music. John said to them, `We'll play our kind of music and you can dance any dance you can!'"
Three days later, the trio returned home to Magoffin County, tired and with blistered fingers from so much playing, but with unforgettable memories.
It seems that shortly after this adventure, scouts from several record companies approached John Salyer. One of them happened to stop by the farm while John was out working the field with his plow horse. The proposed record deal seemed to John so unfair, however, that he turned the man down flat, saying "Get up, Kate, we can make more money plowing than we can playing the fiddle."
John never did pursue recording but continued to farm, supplemented his income from time to time with public works jobs. Because he could type, he worked at the courthouse in Salyersville in his spare time transferring deeds and other documents to the permanent record for both the county clerk's office and the circuit court clerk's office. He also served twice as a police judge for the county. From the late 1930s on, John occasionally worked away from home as a pipe fitter for the oil companies around Knoxville, Tennessee and Huntington, West Virginia. At one time, he was office manager for the Kentucky Utilities Company in Johnson County.
It was in the early 1940s when Grover asked his father if he might record his fiddle playing so that future generations in the family would be able to hear it. But John had not forgotten his encounter with the recording scouts, and it took much persuasion on Grover's part to get him to agree. In 1941, working in Charlestown, Indiana, Grover went to Cincinnati and bought a two-speed Wilcox-Gray disc recorder and some blank discs. He would go home on weekends and if circumstances allowed, they would play and record. Over the next year or so, approximately ninety sides were recorded, including many fiddle solos, fiddle with guitar, and fiddle with both sons playing guitar and mandolin or banjo. There were also three banjo tunes by John Salyer and several with Claude Helton, a highly respected banjo player from nearby Bloomington, Kentucky.
John continued to play until the last few years of his life, and despite all the changes in the world around him, he never compromised his devotion to the old music. By the time he was in his fifties, John began to show signs of having diabetes. It is thought that problems related to insulin caused his eventual death on November 28, 1952. He was 70.

John Salyer's Fiddle Style
The true brilliance of John Salyer's playing is in his mastery of rhythm and phrasing. He was primarily a hoe-down fiddler - one who played the lively, rhythmical tunes essential for square and flatfoot dancing - and he was well-known in his day for his unwavering sense of time and his remarkable bow control. He was equally good at hornpipes and slower pieces, and he had the uncommon ability to play a tune fast and driving on time, and with leisurely graciousness another time, to suit his mood. In this sense, he can be considered to be one of the great solo fiddlers, for he not only maintained impeccable timing by himself, but he phrased his tunes in a way that made them complete in themselves, even without accompaniment.
Salyer was a master handler of the bow in a style based on the old-time shuffle, a bowstroke that was used to provide a good rolling rhythm or "swing,' as well as the kind of intensity and momentum that was necessary for dance music. He employed the shuffle stroke with great variety and subtlety, interspersed with pauses, rapid saw strokes, and great sweeps of the bow. In the solo realm, he played with several different tunings, or "wildcat keys," as they were called, which were particularly well-suited to unaccompanied fiddling because they allowed open strings to sound sympathetically or to be played as drones along with the melody. Finally, he filled out his tunes with subtle and judiciously placed trills and triplets, and trembling notes achieved by both the bow and the noting hand. This use of ornamentation was characteristic of many of the older eastern Kentucky fiddlers, such as Blind Bill Day, Manon Campbell and Alva Greene, and would seem to hearken back to the old world ancestry of the music.
As a body of music, the tune versions Salyer played were nearly all unusual. He played many so-called "crooked tunes", that is, tunes with extra phrases or beats thrown in, or else beats dropped from what is generally considered the standard thirty-two beat fiddle tune. Whether this was a personal idiosyncrasy or a particular stylistic tradition John Salyer followed is hard to ascertain, but it was fairly common for eastern Kentucky fiddlers to employ considerable structural freedom in their tunes.
John Salyer's repertoire was large and varied. He played an impressive range of hoe-downs, hornpipes, song melodies, and solo fiddle pieces, some well-known and others quite rare. Taken together, the Salyer home recordings add immeasurably to our understanding of eastern Kentucky fiddle music, for they reflect a substantial portion of the repertoire of a highly-skilled fiddler playing in his prime - a fiddler whose playing was almost completely uninfluenced by music outside his own region. In this respect, the recordings of Salyer are extremely valuable, offering as they do, compelling testimony to the deep-rooted and powerful legacy of homemade music in the Kentucky mountains from an era now gone.

Minister was John Joseph

Burial - [place: Hinton, Caddo Co, OK]

John P. SALYER was born in Floyd Co., KY. in 1846 and is a son of Fielding and Margaret (HALE) SALYER. The father was born March 11, 1805 and was a son of William SALYER, also a native of Virginia and British descent. William settled in Kentucky soon after Daniel Boone. Fielding grew to manhood on his father's farm in Kentucky, and October 2, 1825, married and afterward farmed there until 1849, when, with his wife and seven children, he came by water to Ozark, Ark. He landed on the present site of St. Paul in May, 1849 and improved a farm upon which he lived until his death, April 14, 1880. He took an active part in church and school interests and was an influential citizen. Margaret HALE was born in Kentucky May 23, 1816. She was reared in her native state, and although she never became identified with a church, was a good wife and mother and a believer in the teachings of the Bible. She died December 26, 1881. She was the mother of six daughters and one son: Mary, Sarah, Ursley, Arty, Malinda, John P. and Rhoda J. Sarah (now Mrs. HARRIS) lives in Texas; Ursley (Mrs. SPARKS) in Madison Co; Arty (Mrs. MONTGOMERY) in Texas and Rhoda J. (Mrs. HILL) in Arkansas. They, with John P., are the only children now living. He came to Arkansas with his parents when four years old. In 1861 he left home for Texas, and in May 1865 returned to Madison County, and began farming on the old homestead, which has been his home since. When the railroad was built to St. Paul his farm marked the terminus. In July, 1887, he established his present merchantile business in St. Paul, and is now considered one of its leading and representative men. January 28, 1866, he married Rachel ESTEP a native of this country, whose parents came from Illinois. Mrs. SALYER is the mother of the following children: Nancy J, William A., Mary, John P. Jr., Martha, Emily E., Harvey S., David C., Cora, Samuel N., Garlan. Mrs. SALYER died May 11, 1888, a member of the Methodist Church, to which Mr. SALYER also belongs. SOURCE & DATE UNKNOWN. This is a rather convoluted story and needs careful reading. Since John Preston died in 1927, it may be assumed that as of this time, 1997, his remaining siblings are also deceased.

Marriage Note

John Preston Salyer and Anne Strickler were the parents of 6 children.

Census - [date: 1870] [place: Russell Co, VA]

CENSUS YR: 1870 TERRITORY: VA COUNTY: Russell DIVISION: Castle Woods Township REEL NO: M5931677 PAGE NO: 313B
REFERENCE: Enumerated the 5th day of August 1870 by J C Coman
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LN HN FN LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX RACE OCCUP. REAL VAL. PERS VAL. BIRTHPLACE FOREIGN BIRTH MONTH MONTH ATT. CAN'T CAN'T DEAF M-21yrs VOTE-

33 117 117 Salyer John 33 M W daily laborer Virginia X X X
34 117 117 Salyer Elizabeth 31 F W keeping house Virginia X X
35 117 117 Salyer Joseph 3 M W at home Virginia
36 117 117 Salyer Henry 6 M W at home Virginia
37 117 117 Salyer Ulyssis G 4 M W at home Virginia Feb
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38 117 117 Salyer Martha 4/12 F W at home Virginia Feb
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39 117 117 Salyer Mary 4/12 F W at home Virginia
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Census - [date: 1860] [place: Magoffin Co, KY]

John SALYER, age 30 , is listed with his wife, Annie GULLET, in household 399.

Johnny died young.

Census - [date: 1860] [place: Dickensonville Twp, Russell Co, VA]

Birth Note

In the 1860 census of Dickensonville Twp., Russell Co., VA, there is a Jonathon Salyer living with the William Salyer family. William was a brother of Jonathon's.

I am trying to connect with Charles Sallier b ca 1667. M Rebecca Bloomfield. I have:son Zachariah Salyer m Elizabeth Dunn. Their son: Zachariah Salyer m Mary Sailor. Their son: Joseph Salyer m Sarah Salyer.Their dtr: Nancy Salyer m Henry Osborn their son: Jonathan Osburn m Ruthie Jane Middleton. Their dtr Frankie Jane Osburn is my gm. Any names sound familiar? I can use all the help I can get.
Rosetta Watkins Cox
celestin83@bartnet.net

Census - [date: 1880] [place: Johnson Co, KY]

P 139
25 Joseph SALYER 48 Farmer b Floyd Co KY VA VA
Catherine (STAPLETON) 46 ( m 27 Aug 1853) b Russell Co VA VA VA
Levi SALYER 20 Son KY KY VA
Martha SALYER 20 Dau KY
Elizabeth SALYER 18 Dau KY
William H SALYER 14 Son KY
Lolla SALYER 12 Dau KY
Rosa Bell SALYER 11 Dau KY
Nancy E SALYER 4 ( b 4 May 1876) KY
Lydia SALYER 22 Dau-in-law KY

http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyjohnso/Flatgap1880.htm

Birth Note

Per 1860 census: Dickensonville Twp., Russell Co., VA.

Birth Note

10 Apr 1859 ?

Burial - [place: Pampa, Gray Co, TX]

Ben and Joyce Goble, P. O. Box 833, Warsaw, IN 46581 wrote to inquire about the Salyer and Conley families of our area. Joyce is the dau of Pearl Conley and Julia Salyer. Julia was the dau of Francis Marion Salyer and Minerva Jane Salyer. I have located her Salyer ancestors but I am having trouble with Pearl Conley's parents. They claim Pearl was the son of Ben Conley and Jeanne Bailey but I can't seem to find Pearl. The only Ben Conley I can find married in 1905 to Sarah Rowe. He was the son of Thomas Prater and Malinda Prater as seen in our Conley Book. Our Bailey book shows Thomas Conley and Malinda Prater to be the parents of a Benjamin Conley b. 23 Jul 1891 who married Jeanne Bailey. Can anyone tell us which is right and who were Jeanne Bailey's parents? (Information from Todd Preston's column in the September 24, 1998 issue of THE SALYERSVILLE INDEPENDENT newspaper.)

Birth Note

1915?